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A missed cue during fixation is a different event from the same cue in a clear moment, and intervening during conflict can add risk.
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Answer
The trainers describe a dog becoming so committed to a distraction that a familiar cue no longer produces the usual response. Roxy’s examples involve people and a trash can; the trainer reads a wrong position as divided attention. That explanation must remain attached to the specific event. A missed cue alone does not prove a fixed psychological state.
The summer Zeus lessons make the timing problem explicit. The trainer warns that adding a correction while Zeus is engaged with another dog can be attributed to the other dog and escalate the conflict. He describes separating the situation before the consequence, and acknowledges having made the opposite mistake. This is a consequential limitation of the method as explained on film, not a minor footnote to a direction to increase the collar.
The dossier also contains cue-before-reaction material from the March Zeus. That is a different dog and cannot be presented as the summer dog’s earlier program. The current draft centers the verified summer evidence and keeps that other strand for separate source review.
For an owner, the useful outcome is a trainer-guided plan for recognizing the developing situation, maintaining safe separation and practicing an appropriate response before a conflict develops. These excerpts explain decisions made by the handlers; they are not a stand-alone protocol for physically breaking up a fight or correcting a dog locked onto another animal.
Owner takeaway
Show your trainer the sequence before the lock-on, not only the final reaction. Ask for a case-specific plan that preserves separation and identifies when to disengage instead of trying to solve a conflict with repeated corrections.
Across the cases
Roxy
The trainer reports an unusually strong competing interest and later describes a successful down while people pass. The contrast is between responses within a distracting context, not proof that she stopped literally hearing.
I tried it on a lower level, I had to turn it up, eh, okay, I really wanted to see those people. She was just blowing off the e-collar. She didn't care about that at all.
Watch at 16:03 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
down let's try again hi much better Roxy good job okay let's go good girl you did much better that time you let it go right by you that was perfect
Watch at 13:02 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
She was getting distracted by the trash can, and so her mom was just on the trash can. And so when I sat down, she sat, because she was still thinking about the trash can.
Watch at 27:18 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Zeus
The summer lessons explicitly warn of redirected or misattributed consequences during conflict. The account includes the trainer’s acknowledgment of a previous error.
you pull him away right the reason is that if you say uh-uh and tap the e-collar while he's still in that position all ramped up he will take that out on him potentially right that could happen
Watch at 45:53 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
say like you had that same scenario again zeus is already like and doing that whole thing jumping on him if you were then to say and tap as an example i have made that mistake before uh and what will happen is in most cases that dog we'll go you did it to the other dog you did that and we'll take it as an escalation and then fight
Watch at 24:33 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
hey hey down down let's go dude you're not doing that that's all you fixate bro let's go come
Watch at 02:54 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Zeus. Down. Down. No. We've practiced this so much. Down. Come on. All the way. All the way, Zeus. All the way. All the way. We're going to keep doing it until you go.
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Source excerpts
I tried it on a lower level, I had to turn it up, eh, okay, I really wanted to see those people. She was just blowing off the e-collar. She didn't care about that at all.
Watch at 16:03 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
down let's try again hi much better Roxy good job okay let's go good girl you did much better that time you let it go right by you that was perfect
Watch at 13:02 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
She was getting distracted by the trash can, and so her mom was just on the trash can. And so when I sat down, she sat, because she was still thinking about the trash can.
Watch at 27:18 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
you pull him away right the reason is that if you say uh-uh and tap the e-collar while he's still in that position all ramped up he will take that out on him potentially right that could happen
Watch at 45:53 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
say like you had that same scenario again zeus is already like and doing that whole thing jumping on him if you were then to say and tap as an example i have made that mistake before uh and what will happen is in most cases that dog we'll go you did it to the other dog you did that and we'll take it as an escalation and then fight
Watch at 24:33 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
hey hey down down let's go dude you're not doing that that's all you fixate bro let's go come
Watch at 02:54 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Zeus. Down. Down. No. We've practiced this so much. Down. Come on. All the way. All the way, Zeus. All the way. All the way. We're going to keep doing it until you go.
Watch at 04:51 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
How the trainers explain it
The trainers describe competing attention and attribution of an aversive event. Those explanations account for why the same cue or intervention can have a different effect once the dog is engaged with a trigger. The record documents their reasoning, not a controlled demonstration of the dog’s subjective attribution.
I tried it on a lower level, I had to turn it up, eh, okay, I really wanted to see those people. She was just blowing off the e-collar. She didn't care about that at all.
Watch at 16:03 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
you pull him away right the reason is that if you say uh-uh and tap the e-collar while he's still in that position all ramped up he will take that out on him potentially right that could happen
Watch at 45:53 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
say like you had that same scenario again zeus is already like and doing that whole thing jumping on him if you were then to say and tap as an example i have made that mistake before uh and what will happen is in most cases that dog we'll go you did it to the other dog you did that and we'll take it as an escalation and then fight
Watch at 24:33 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
This is a synthesis of the cited training record, not a controlled comparison or a measurement of the dog’s internal state.
Differences to review
Cueing into distraction versus intervening during conflict
The Roxy training deliberately uses distraction, while Zeus’s lesson warns against adding a consequence while engaged with another dog. A planned proofing opportunity and an active conflict are not equivalent.
down let's try again hi much better Roxy good job okay let's go good girl you did much better that time you let it go right by you that was perfect
Watch at 13:02 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
say like you had that same scenario again zeus is already like and doing that whole thing jumping on him if you were then to say and tap as an example i have made that mistake before uh and what will happen is in most cases that dog we'll go you did it to the other dog you did that and we'll take it as an escalation and then fight
Watch at 24:33 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Questions and answers
Should a higher level solve fixation?
A higher setting is not established here as a general solution. Roxy’s trainer reports changing a level in a particular session (G4UtIRQ_BlY, 16:03). Zeus’s lesson describes a different situation in which the trainer warns that adding a correction during an interaction could escalate it (KKFbjjFvhqU, 24:33). The contrast makes timing, context and the dog’s response central to the explanation. Take the actual sequence to your trainer rather than treating the first example as a reason to increase a setting yourself.
I tried it on a lower level, I had to turn it up, eh, okay, I really wanted to see those people. She was just blowing off the e-collar. She didn't care about that at all.
Watch at 16:03 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
say like you had that same scenario again zeus is already like and doing that whole thing jumping on him if you were then to say and tap as an example i have made that mistake before uh and what will happen is in most cases that dog we'll go you did it to the other dog you did that and we'll take it as an escalation and then fight
Watch at 24:33 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Is every incorrect position evidence of fixation?
No. In PT6ZE1cYzxY at 27:18, the trainer interprets a response as related to attention on a trash can. That explanation concerns that sequence; an incorrect position by itself does not identify what the dog was attending to. Record the cue, the available help, the surroundings and the response before drawing a conclusion. If the reason remains unclear, keep it as a question rather than assigning the same explanation to another dog.
She was getting distracted by the trash can, and so her mom was just on the trash can. And so when I sat down, she sat, because she was still thinking about the trash can.
Watch at 27:18 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Teaching outline
A missed cue during fixation is a different event from the same cue in a clear moment, and intervening during conflict can add risk.
Watch the Zeus explanation without attempting to recreate it. Identify the risk the trainer names and the timing distinction he makes. Compare that with the earlier, planned distraction in Roxy’s lesson.
I tried it on a lower level, I had to turn it up, eh, okay, I really wanted to see those people. She was just blowing off the e-collar. She didn't care about that at all.
Watch at 16:03 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
you pull him away right the reason is that if you say uh-uh and tap the e-collar while he's still in that position all ramped up he will take that out on him potentially right that could happen
Watch at 45:53 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
say like you had that same scenario again zeus is already like and doing that whole thing jumping on him if you were then to say and tap as an example i have made that mistake before uh and what will happen is in most cases that dog we'll go you did it to the other dog you did that and we'll take it as an escalation and then fight
Watch at 24:33 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Is this a prepared training opportunity, a developing fixation, or an active conflict requiring a different plan?
Trainer notes
The trainers describe competing attention and attribution of an aversive event. Those explanations account for why the same cue or intervention can have a different effect once the dog is engaged with a trigger. The record documents their reasoning, not a controlled demonstration of the dog’s subjective attribution.
I tried it on a lower level, I had to turn it up, eh, okay, I really wanted to see those people. She was just blowing off the e-collar. She didn't care about that at all.
Watch at 16:03 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
you pull him away right the reason is that if you say uh-uh and tap the e-collar while he's still in that position all ramped up he will take that out on him potentially right that could happen
Watch at 45:53 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
say like you had that same scenario again zeus is already like and doing that whole thing jumping on him if you were then to say and tap as an example i have made that mistake before uh and what will happen is in most cases that dog we'll go you did it to the other dog you did that and we'll take it as an escalation and then fight
Watch at 24:33 ↗ · Current transcript match · Audio confirmation pending
Source moments
Still to establish
Which owner-safe disengagement and prevention instructions should accompany this page?
Source limitations
The March Zeus reactivity strand was not merged into summer Zeus. The transcript phrase “her mom” in Roxy’s passage appears to be an error; it is preserved in the quote, not used as a claim about a person.
Quotations are copied verbatim from the current local transcript, including transcription errors. Exact text matching does not independently verify the audio or identify a speaker.
The dossier is derived from existing Tier 1 and Tier 2 research; its broad-concept sighting cap may omit further examples. Dogs covered records reviewed dossier context, not a claim that every dog supplies equally strong evidence.
Equipment levels, inferred motives and outcome claims describe the cited case; they are not universal settings, diagnoses or independently established results.
Connected library collections
These links follow eligible video assignments in the reviewed library. A source can feature more than one animal; the older research-folder name is not used to merge identities.