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When the intended response does not occur, the recordings show trainers examining delivery, timing, handling and context; they do not provide one explanation or adjustment for every case.
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Answer
A missed response is a reason to examine the sequence rather than assume a particular adjustment will solve it. The examples on this page describe several possibilities. In Roxy’s session, the trainer discovers that the collar was not on (a03T8pCM6IU, 03:26). King’s trainer considers fit and later discusses finding insufficient time between his cue and correction when reviewing footage (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 04:11 and 05:03). In Rocko’s session, the trainer changes his own walking speed while addressing forging (C0f_ap6DuJo, 07:42).
These examples show different decisions in particular situations, not a universal troubleshooting order. A visible reaction, a brief interruption or a return to the behavior is information about that moment; it does not by itself establish why the response occurred or what should happen next. The longer notes also compare behavior across sessions. Keep those comparisons separate from causal conclusions: a later change does not prove that an earlier correction caused it. Use the linked footage to identify the cue, assistance, timing and response, then bring the specific sequence to the trainer responsible for the plan.
Owner takeaway
Record what was requested, what help was given, when it occurred and what your dog did next. Ask your trainer to review the sequence before repeating an ineffective approach or changing equipment settings. The examples here do not supply a universal appearance test, response deadline or equipment adjustment for another dog.
Across the cases
Roxy
Roxy’s trainer reports increasing the level slightly in a long-line session (G4UtIRQ_BlY, 16:29). Another passage comments on turning the collar on (a03T8pCM6IU, 03:26), and the handover lesson asks the owner to attend to the response (mGABOTtCbpY, 11:51). Together these passages document different explanations and teaching examples. They do not establish one cause for every missed response or make a dog’s expression a complete test of learning.
She was really blowing that e-collar off. She did not care about it. I had to go up slightly.
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I don't want to use this word stubborn, but kind of stubborn.
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it it didn't work. Right. So, if you go, don't you ever do and and Roxy's like, right? while you're holding her by the collar.
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King
King’s trainer considers fit as one explanation for a response (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 04:11), then reports that reviewing his own footage revealed insufficient latency (05:03). A later fitting lesson discusses contact (0Ryn-sQhWK0, 06:01). The household lesson uses an analogy about repeated warnings (cKHKUAETVwU, 28:41). Keep the proposed cause, reported self-review and teaching analogy distinct; these excerpts do not supply a complete fitting or troubleshooting procedure.
he's either much tougher with the e-collar than I initially considered, or it's too loose
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I was reviewing some of my own video footage and I found that I was not giving enough latency
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Exactly, that way it's over it, because otherwise he probably won't make any contact, he'll press a button and he won't feel it at all.
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So, like if you tell your kids like one, two, three, or you just give them a look and then they go back and do it again and nothing happens, right? That happens 10 times in a row over two weeks. What happens now? You give them a look and they're like, "Popsy is not going to do anything. I don't care.
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Zeus
In Zeus’s lesson, the trainer discusses pressure and reward as two possible adjustments, based on his assessment of that situation (KKFbjjFvhqU, 85:06). In another session he remarks that the dog appears not to have felt a correction despite his belief that the collar is charged (C-te71IOKqA, 03:58). That comment documents uncertainty. It does not confirm equipment function, establish the cause of the response or justify a setting for another dog.
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Come here. It looks like he didn't even feel that. That's weird. I know this cow is charged up so that's strange.
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Finn
Finn’s trainer says that increasing the level would not produce the command he wants at that point (0JRh17nttVw, 15:32). In a separate park passage he describes the apparent response (T6k54CmgGyQ, 02:03) and states that he wants to see whether pressure changes movement toward the truck (03:25). The latter is an announced observation, not proof of its result. These passages help frame questions about context and response without establishing a general escalation rule.
so I don't I don't want to turn up the collar too high because if you don't get a command you're turning it up higher is not gonna get you what you want
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Kodak
This research grouping includes a passage explicitly attributed to Rocko: the trainer changes walking speed while discussing forging (C0f_ap6DuJo, 07:42). It should not be represented as a Kodak demonstration or proof that slow walking makes forging impossible. In the Kodak material, a staff remark attributes a response to surprise (oVp7j539WAc, 15:45), and another explanation uses the term extinction burst (nAixqXQZRCc, 06:45). These are attributed interpretations. They do not establish a general mechanism or tell a reader to persist when another dog’s behavior worsens.
He's really intent on forging. I'm going to walk really slow. Kind of force the issue here.
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bo
Bo’s trainer acknowledges variation and says he will not repeat a command solely to demonstrate perfection to the camera (xb4v7kiGhbI, 02:44 and 02:54). In a follow-up lesson he describes a demonstration as less effective than intended and mentions consistency and equipment limitations (gOSrsaz6jTg, 23:36). These comments document how he explains those moments; they do not establish a general rule about repeating a cue or selecting equipment.
These things happen sometimes. Even with with dogs that are doing all the training, sometimes they can just feel a little strange.
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We'll get over it. I won't press on that command again to prove to you that it's perfect, but he is doing well with it.
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All right. So, that's like a brief example of how I would do that. But, that wasn't super effective. Um, for a couple of reasons. One, it's just a consistency thing. But then also, number two is that flat collar very limited, right?
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Sage
Sage’s lesson asks the owner to look for a response (qUfrNTjawRA, 43:57). The trainer then makes a strong claim about how often the unwanted choice stops (44:59). That percentage is a spoken teaching claim, not a measured success rate established by this collection. The excerpt alone cannot establish the dog’s internal decision, lasting retention or an outcome in another setting.
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99.99% of the time it just doesn't happen anymore she decides not to make that choice because she gets penalized right
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Dutchess
Dutchess’s trainer comments on a setting during one session (3W6Iy2L1_0c, 01:00). In another lesson, the speaker describes what intervention previously involved (n_SeSsWniBw, 21:41); a separate passage states that off-leash reliability is not yet sufficient for the proposed handover (lUcKg-GNhII, 03:31). These are distinct pieces of context. A reported comparison is not a controlled before-and-after demonstration or a universal procedure for dog-to-dog conflict.
she'll get the next one will be the e collar oh it's not high enough for her so dutch hey
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like i would have to before i would have to grab her collar and like pull her away and they would still be going at it and then everybody's upset
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Dolce
Dolce’s trainer explains why he followed a marker with the collar on that occasion (Au7MBs3rYtY, 16:16). This resembles the follow-through theme in King’s lesson, but the excerpt does not establish that every missed marker must be followed by the same action on the next repetition. The useful comparison is the trainer’s stated reason and the conditions of the session.
I just did the conditioned punisher before I just did uh uh before when the other guy was passing and she did that but this time Um, this time I got her for it because she needed, um, she needed to get a little bit more reinforcement there.
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Bullet
One Bullet passage describes addressing forging (SMIe1m8ZN-s, 24:54). A later assessment mentions falling behind when the handler speeds up and reports that several previous position problems are no longer occurring (QWNOUdYwOB4, 18:02 and 18:11). The sequence supports comparing the reports and conditions. It does not establish that correcting forging caused lagging, or measure either change across the full training history.
So there I'm just penalizing forging.
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because he knows the heel but he's uh if i speed up faster he um he falls behind he's not forging
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anymore like he used to he's not pushing ahead and he's not going out to the sides or crowding
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Source excerpts
that on a very high level corrected that harshly right and it still did not completely deter him because he's still actively interested in those people um and especially on that dog and you saw he was right on the cusp of doing what he always does which is sprint over to that dog
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She was really blowing that e-collar off. She did not care about it. I had to go up slightly.
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Come here. It looks like he didn't even feel that. That's weird. I know this cow is charged up so that's strange.
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all right, was the dog penalized or not, you need to think uh about only one factor. Does it look like it?
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it it didn't work. Right. So, if you go, don't you ever do and and Roxy's like, right? while you're holding her by the collar.
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you go a h ah, right? And if that works right away and it's like strong, it's obvious that he did not appreciate it. Oh, and he chills out immediately and doesn't go right back to it after 10 seconds, then that was it. You're good, right? You punished it. It was penalized.
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That has to be charged on a regular basis. However, the how regular of a basis is decided by by him by him. If he starts blowing off stuff, then it's got to get charged, right?
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So, like if you tell your kids like one, two, three, or you just give them a look and then they go back and do it again and nothing happens, right? That happens 10 times in a row over two weeks. What happens now? You give them a look and they're like, "Popsy is not going to do anything. I don't care.
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so I don't I don't want to turn up the collar too high because if you don't get a command you're turning it up higher is not gonna get you what you want
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he's either much tougher with the e-collar than I initially considered, or it's too loose
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I was reviewing some of my own video footage and I found that I was not giving enough latency
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Exactly, that way it's over it, because otherwise he probably won't make any contact, he'll press a button and he won't feel it at all.
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He's really intent on forging. I'm going to walk really slow. Kind of force the issue here.
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she'll get the next one will be the e collar oh it's not high enough for her so dutch hey
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I just did the conditioned punisher before I just did uh uh before when the other guy was passing and she did that but this time Um, this time I got her for it because she needed, um, she needed to get a little bit more reinforcement there.
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All right. So, that's like a brief example of how I would do that. But, that wasn't super effective. Um, for a couple of reasons. One, it's just a consistency thing. But then also, number two is that flat collar very limited, right?
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random. He did not seem super happy there to listen to him.
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These things happen sometimes. Even with with dogs that are doing all the training, sometimes they can just feel a little strange.
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We'll get over it. I won't press on that command again to prove to you that it's perfect, but he is doing well with it.
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anymore like he used to he's not pushing ahead and he's not going out to the sides or crowding
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like i would have to before i would have to grab her collar and like pull her away and they would still be going at it and then everybody's upset
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How the trainers explain it
King’s trainer uses a battery analogy to explain why he thinks a warning needs follow-through (cKHKUAETVwU, 28:25 and 28:41). This is the trainer’s explanation in that lesson, not a measured account of what every repeated warning teaches. Roxy’s lesson asks the owner to attend to the response (mGABOTtCbpY, 11:38); King’s gives a short timing example (cKHKUAETVwU, 27:30). Neither establishes a universal appearance or timing test for lasting learning. Other passages raise different questions: whether the collar was on (a03T8pCM6IU, 03:26), whether fit was a possibility (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 04:11), and whether the handler allowed enough latency (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 05:03). Rocko’s trainer changes walking speed while addressing forging (C0f_ap6DuJo, 07:42). These are case-specific adjustments, not four proven causes or an established troubleshooting order. Zeus’s discussion of pressure and reward (KKFbjjFvhqU, 85:06) and Finn’s decision against increasing the level (0JRh17nttVw, 15:32) should be read with their respective contexts. A staff remark attributes a response to surprise (oVp7j539WAc, 15:45); this excerpt alone cannot establish that mechanism or compare its importance with intensity.
Differences to review
When a correction does not work, whether to turn it up.
First perspective
In these Zeus, Roxy and Dutchess passages, trainers discuss or report a change in pressure or reward for the situation they are handling.
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She was really blowing that e-collar off. She did not care about it. I had to go up slightly.
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she'll get the next one will be the e collar oh it's not high enough for her so dutch hey
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Second perspective
Finn’s trainer says increasing the level would not produce the desired command at that point. King’s trainer raises fit as a possibility; Rocko’s trainer changes walking speed.
so I don't I don't want to turn up the collar too high because if you don't get a command you're turning it up higher is not gonna get you what you want
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he's either much tougher with the e-collar than I initially considered, or it's too loose
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He's really intent on forging. I'm going to walk really slow. Kind of force the issue here.
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How to read this comparison
Compare the contexts and stated reasons before treating these choices as contradictory rules. Ability versus willingness is a possible editorial question, not an established explanation in these excerpts. Starting-level decisions remain a separate, context-dependent subject with two techniques and rationales; see start-high-not-low. No setting recommendation follows from this comparison.
Whether a failed rep should be re-run.
First perspective
Bo’s trainer says he will not repeat this command to prove perfection to the camera and acknowledges variation.
We'll get over it. I won't press on that command again to prove to you that it's perfect, but he is doing well with it.
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These things happen sometimes. Even with with dogs that are doing all the training, sometimes they can just feel a little strange.
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Second perspective
Dolce’s trainer explains follow-through on that occasion, while King’s lesson uses a battery analogy to discuss a warning.
I just did the conditioned punisher before I just did uh uh before when the other guy was passing and she did that but this time Um, this time I got her for it because she needed, um, she needed to get a little bit more reinforcement there.
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That has to be charged on a regular basis. However, the how regular of a basis is decided by by him by him. If he starts blowing off stuff, then it's got to get charged, right?
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How to read this comparison
These excerpts concern different situations. They do not establish a universal distinction between a single unusual response and a pattern, or a rule telling another owner when to repeat or escalate. A useful follow-up is to ask the trainer which contextual observations guided each decision.
Questions and answers
How do I know whether my correction actually worked?
In these lessons, the trainers ask owners to look at the response rather than count delivery alone as success. Roxy’s and Sage’s lessons emphasize visible feedback, while King’s trainer describes an immediate response and a short period without returning to the behavior. Those are teaching examples, not a validated appearance test or universal ten-second threshold. Record what changed, what happened next and whether the response holds in comparable situations. A brief interruption does not by itself establish lasting learning or the reason for the change.
all right, was the dog penalized or not, you need to think uh about only one factor. Does it look like it?
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you go a h ah, right? And if that works right away and it's like strong, it's obvious that he did not appreciate it. Oh, and he chills out immediately and doesn't go right back to it after 10 seconds, then that was it. You're good, right? You punished it. It was penalized.
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It didn't work. Should I turn the collar up?
These excerpts do not provide a setting recommendation for your dog. Zeus’s lesson discusses changing pressure or the available reward in the situation being described (KKFbjjFvhqU, 85:06). Finn’s trainer says that increasing the level would not produce the command he wants at that point (0JRh17nttVw, 15:32). The contrast shows why the response and context need assessment. It does not establish one troubleshooting order or show that every missed response has the same cause. Ask your trainer to review the actual sequence before changing a setting.
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so I don't I don't want to turn up the collar too high because if you don't get a command you're turning it up higher is not gonna get you what you want
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I pressed the button and my dog didn't react at all. What's going on?
The examples raise equipment and delivery questions, but no visible reaction alone identifies the cause. Roxy’s trainer comments on the collar not being on (a03T8pCM6IU, 03:26); King’s trainer considers fit as one possibility (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 04:11); and a fitting lesson explains why contact matters (0Ryn-sQhWK0, 06:01). These excerpts are reasons to check the setup with your trainer, not a complete fitting procedure or a reason to assume the dog needs a stronger level.
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he's either much tougher with the e-collar than I initially considered, or it's too loose
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Exactly, that way it's over it, because otherwise he probably won't make any contact, he'll press a button and he won't feel it at all.
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Could the problem be me rather than my dog?
Handling is one part of the sequence worth reviewing, without assuming blame. King’s trainer reports finding insufficient latency in his own footage (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 05:03). Dutchess’s lesson discusses cue delivery, and Rocko’s trainer changes walking speed while addressing forging (C0f_ap6DuJo, 07:42). Compare the cue, time allowed, movement and assistance with your lesson. The examples show adjustments; they do not measure how often the handler is the cause or prove that slower walking makes forging impossible.
I was reviewing some of my own video footage and I found that I was not giving enough latency
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He's really intent on forging. I'm going to walk really slow. Kind of force the issue here.
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My dog was doing well and has suddenly got worse. Have I broken something?
The description alone does not establish what changed or why. The Kodak passage contains an explanation and instruction in that session; the Bo passage acknowledges that responses can vary. Neither is enough to diagnose another dog’s sudden change, label it an extinction burst or decide that continuing pressure is appropriate. Record the setting, what happened before the change and any new signs, then ask your trainer to reassess the plan. Keep a session-specific explanation separate from a general instruction to persist.
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These things happen sometimes. Even with with dogs that are doing all the training, sometimes they can just feel a little strange.
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Does a correction ever work and still cost something?
The selected Bullet passages show a trainer addressing forging and later reporting that several position problems have changed. They do not establish that the earlier correction caused a later difficulty, or quantify a tradeoff. Comparing both desired and unwanted changes across sessions is useful, but keep the conditions and alternative explanations visible. A claim about a cost needs its own supporting evidence rather than being inferred from the order of two recordings.
So there I'm just penalizing forging.
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anymore like he used to he's not pushing ahead and he's not going out to the sides or crowding
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Teaching outline
Compare how trainers describe a missed response, distinguish their explanations from demonstrated outcomes, and prepare a specific question for an individual lesson.
11:38
Roxy’s trainer asks the owner to attend to visible feedback; identify the response being discussed without treating appearance alone as proof of learning.
27:30
King’s trainer gives a short timing example. Record the setting and explanation rather than adopting its timing as a universal threshold.
04:11
King’s trainer raises fit as a possibility, then reports a timing issue found in his own footage at 05:03. Keep a hypothesis separate from a confirmed cause.
15:32
Finn’s trainer explains why increasing the level would not get the command he wants at that point.
07:42
Rocko’s trainer changes walking speed while discussing forging. Compare the sequence without assuming pace makes an error impossible.
Use the source moments above as a viewing exercise. For one passage, write down the cue or situation, what the trainer says happened, the explanation offered, and the next adjustment. Keep anything you cannot see or hear marked unknown. Compare King’s fit and latency discussion (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 04:11 and 05:03) with Finn’s decision against increasing the level (0JRh17nttVw, 15:32). What information differs, and what would you still need before applying either lesson to another dog? Bring that question and the source link to your trainer. This exercise asks you to analyze footage; it does not prescribe a correction sequence or collar setting.
Counting delivery as success without describing the response and what happened afterward.
Treating a trainer’s proposed explanation as a confirmed cause.
Turning a case-specific timing example into a rule for every dog.
Assuming a stronger setting follows from every missed response.
Calling worsening behavior an extinction burst from a short description and using that label to decide to continue.
Inferring that one intervention caused a later change merely because the recordings occurred in that order.
King’s trainer considers fit and reports a timing issue; Finn’s trainer says increasing the level would not get the command he wants. What can these excerpts establish? They document different explanations and decisions in those sessions. They do not establish the cause of another dog’s missed response or a setting to use. What additional context would you ask your trainer to review?
Common mistakes
Treating the repeated-warning analogy as proof of what every missed warning teaches, rather than the trainer’s explanation in King’s lesson.
So, like if you tell your kids like one, two, three, or you just give them a look and then they go back and do it again and nothing happens, right? That happens 10 times in a row over two weeks. What happens now? You give them a look and they're like, "Popsy is not going to do anything. I don't care.
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Assuming a missed response establishes a need for more intensity without reviewing the setup and sequence with the trainer.
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Exactly, that way it's over it, because otherwise he probably won't make any contact, he'll press a button and he won't feel it at all.
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Leaving cue timing out of the review; King’s trainer specifically reports a latency issue in his own footage.
I was reviewing some of my own video footage and I found that I was not giving enough latency
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Using Kodak’s session-specific extinction-burst explanation to diagnose another dog or decide to persist through worsening behavior.
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Counting delivery alone as success, or treating appearance alone as proof of what the dog learned.
it it didn't work. Right. So, if you go, don't you ever do and and Roxy's like, right? while you're holding her by the collar.
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Treating Bo’s equipment discussion as a complete procedure or a general equipment recommendation.
number two is that flat collar very limited, right? Because you heard he went I don't like that. Freaks me out. Um, it freaks me out because uh I don't like hitting the dog in the neck. Um because if you do that hard, like too hard, you can like hurt the neck, right?
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What to notice
You correct the same thing every single day and nothing changes - the correction has become part of the routine rather than an end to it.
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He stops when you tell him off and is back doing it within a few seconds.
you go a h ah, right? And if that works right away and it's like strong, it's obvious that he did not appreciate it. Oh, and he chills out immediately and doesn't go right back to it after 10 seconds, then that was it. You're good, right? You punished it. It was penalized.
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You are holding his collar telling him off and he still looks perfectly cheerful.
she still seems like happy, right? But if you see negative a effects where she's Yeah.
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Your warning word has stopped meaning anything - he hears it and carries on, the way a child hears a parent start counting.
So, like if you tell your kids like one, two, three, or you just give them a look and then they go back and do it again and nothing happens, right? That happens 10 times in a row over two weeks. What happens now? You give them a look and they're like, "Popsy is not going to do anything. I don't care.
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Things had been getting better and have suddenly got noticeably worse, with the dog trying new ways to avoid what you are asking.
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One problem went away and a different one arrived in its place - he stopped pulling ahead and now he drags behind.
because he knows the heel but he's uh if i speed up faster he um he falls behind he's not forging
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Trainer notes
Read the response-feedback passages as lesson-specific teaching: Roxy mGABOTtCbpY 11:38, Sage qUfrNTjawRA 43:57, and King cKHKUAETVwU 27:30. Record the trainer’s criterion alongside the actual sequence; a short interruption does not establish retention. Delivery and handling examples include the collar-on comment (a03T8pCM6IU, 03:26), a fit hypothesis (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 04:11), a reported latency issue (RIfyAnEl3Fk, 05:03), and a walking-speed adjustment (C0f_ap6DuJo, 07:42). Do not turn these into a ranked procedure or verified diagnosis. Compare Zeus’s pressure/reward explanation (KKFbjjFvhqU, 85:06) with Finn’s decision against increasing the level (0JRh17nttVw, 15:32); an ability-versus-willingness rule would require further support. Dolce’s follow-through explanation (Au7MBs3rYtY, 16:16) and King’s battery analogy (cKHKUAETVwU, 28:25) describe those lessons, not a universal next-repetition policy. Finn’s trainer states what response he wants to examine (T6k54CmgGyQ, 03:25); that statement alone does not verify the result. Kodak’s trainer offers an extinction-burst explanation (nAixqXQZRCc, 06:45), which should not be used to diagnose another dog or prescribe persistence. Bullet’s later position assessment (QWNOUdYwOB4, 18:11) does not establish a causal tradeoff. Keep these questions attached to the full session and retain the outstanding audiovisual review.
Equipment context
E-collar
The tool most of these failures are about. The recurring finding is that a non-response is a delivery question before it is a level question: switched off, too loose, or contacts sitting on hair. Levels named in this file are read off the dog rather than off the remote - 15 and 10 on Finn, 'slightly' up on Roxy, 'not high enough for her' on Dutchess.
he's either much tougher with the e-collar than I initially considered, or it's too loose
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Flat collar
Demonstrated as a corrective tool and then rejected on camera for the purpose, on two grounds: it is very limited, and correcting a dog hard by the neck risks hurting the neck. A harness is dismissed outright in the same breath.
number two is that flat collar very limited, right? Because you heard he went I don't like that. Freaks me out. Um, it freaks me out because uh I don't like hitting the dog in the neck. Um because if you do that hard, like too hard, you can like hurt the neck, right?
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The session camera
Used as a working instrument rather than as output. One trainer found a specific fault in his own timing by watching his sessions back, and another refuses to re-run a failed rep for the camera's benefit.
I was reviewing some of my own video footage and I found that I was not giving enough latency
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We'll get over it. I won't press on that command again to prove to you that it's perfect, but he is doing well with it.
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Long line
The context for several of the reported failures, and the thing that makes testing one safe: the dog can blow off a correction without the failure costing anything.
She was really blowing that e-collar off. She did not care about it. I had to go up slightly.
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Settings
Zeus
the big field at Dix Park, with a second handler bringing a test dog past
03:58
Candidate clips
Come here. It looks like he didn't even feel that. That's weird. I know this cow is charged up so that's strange.
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all right, was the dog penalized or not, you need to think uh about only one factor. Does it look like it?
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so I don't I don't want to turn up the collar too high because if you don't get a command you're turning it up higher is not gonna get you what you want
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I just have to remind myself to give him time to comply because I find that one of the things I'm doing, I was reviewing some of my own video footage and I found that I was not giving enough latency, not giving enough time between giving the command and giving the command again or correcting.
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He's really intent on forging. I'm going to walk really slow. Kind of force the issue here.
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you go a h ah, right? And if that works right away and it's like strong, it's obvious that he did not appreciate it. Oh, and he chills out immediately and doesn't go right back to it after 10 seconds, then that was it. You're good, right? You punished it. It was penalized.
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Source moments
Case story beats
Zeus
A trainer sets up the whole thing in advance, on camera, before it happens: he is going to let the dog make the choice, and if he does something dumb, bad things will happen from the dog's point of view. Then the dog makes the choice, the button goes, and nothing happens at all. The trainer says so, out loud, and adds the detail that makes it a genuine puzzle rather than an excuse - he knows the collar is charged.
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Come here. It looks like he didn't even feel that. That's weird. I know this cow is charged up so that's strange.
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King
A trainer stops mid-session to tell the camera about a fault he found in himself. He had been watching his own footage back, and what he saw was that he was not leaving enough time between the command and the correction. Which means the dog he was correcting had, in some of those reps, not yet had the chance to be right.
I just have to remind myself to give him time to comply because I find that one of the things I'm doing, I was reviewing some of my own video footage and I found that I was not giving enough latency, not giving enough time between giving the command and giving the command again or correcting.
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bo
Outside a store, on a public-access trip, a dog who knows sit does not sit. The trainer asks twice, gets nothing, and then narrates the failure rather than drilling it out: that was random, he did not seem happy to listen, these things happen even to dogs doing all the training - and he will not press the command again to prove to the viewer that it is perfect.
random. He did not seem super happy there to listen to him.
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We'll get over it. I won't press on that command again to prove to you that it's perfect, but he is doing well with it.
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Kodak
Two people are watching a dog who has just changed completely, and one of them works out why. It was not that the correction was harder. He had been corrected before that one and had not cared. This one caught him by surprise. Nobody in the corpus ever mentions it again.
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Questions for intake
What do you currently do when he does the thing you don't want, and what happens next - does he stop, and for how long? The answer distinguishes a dog who has never been corrected from one who has learned that the correction is empty, and those need different first weeks.
How many times a day do you say his warning word? A high number is the diagnosis: the warning has been discharged and needs recharging, not repeating.
Has anything you tried worked at first and then stopped working? That pattern is the battery going flat, and it is the most common thing families arrive with.
Is there anything that got better and then got worse again? Distinguish a lapse from an extinction burst before the program starts, because families quit at exactly that point.
If you already own an e-collar: is it charged, and how tight do you put it on? Most reported non-responses in this corpus are delivery failures, and an intake can rule them out before anybody blames the dog.
Is there anything about your dog's coat, size or skin that might make contact difficult? It takes one question and it prevents weeks of pressing a button that reaches nothing.
Still to establish
Which observations guide a trainer’s next step after a missed response, and when should the session be reassessed instead of applying a fixed troubleshooting order?
What does the staff remark about surprise describe in its full context, and what additional evidence would distinguish that interpretation from alternatives?
What conditions differ between Bullet’s forging passage and the later position assessment? What evidence would be needed before attributing one change to the other?
What follow-up, if any, explains the apparent non-response in the Zeus passage? The selected excerpt does not establish its cause.
Which contextual differences explain the choices in Finn’s and Zeus’s lessons? Avoid assuming an ability-versus-willingness distinction without further evidence.
How does the team use footage to review timing and other handling decisions? King’s report provides one example, not a measure of how often this occurs.
Source limitations
The existing concept page carries its quote in tidied form ('I corrected that harshly, and it still did not completely deter him...'). The transcript does not read that way; the verbatim cue is restored here (h6D5vAnlv1A, 21:02) and the page text should be corrected to match the dump rather than the other way round.
Reaper's arc was not part of the Tier 1 and Tier 2 read behind this file. The quote from h6D5vAnlv1A is carried so the existing page's own evidence is not lost, and Reaper is deliberately not in dogs_covered.
The same failed correction on Zeus appears in two published videos: C-te71IOKqA and LgtaqFU0MiM are edits of the same field session three days apart in publication. The line is quoted here from C-te71IOKqA, where the cue is at normal confidence; in LgtaqFU0MiM (14:48) the corresponding cue carries the low-confidence marker. The two are counted as one session.
'cow' in the Zeus quote is a mistranscription of 'collar'. 'color' in the Roxy quote is a mistranscription of 'collar'. Both are reproduced as the transcripts have them.
Kodak's nAixqXQZRCc and oVp7j539WAc run on the en-US caption track, which came from an earlier Whisper pipeline rather than from a human; the mid-sentence capitals are artefacts of that track and are reproduced exactly.
Speaker identity is unrecoverable for every statement in this file. Each 'who' is a role plus whatever the Tier 1 note could exclude. The single named attribution, Kelton on h6D5vAnlv1A, comes from the existing concept page and not from the audio.
The Kodak sightings behind 'the correction that surprised him' appear twice in the dossier, from the same session and timestamp, under two framings. It is one observation and is counted once.
Connected library collections
These links follow eligible video assignments in the reviewed library. A source can feature more than one animal; the older research-folder name is not used to merge identities.
Related concepts
- Why isn't my e-collar working?
- Whose fault is it when a command fails?
- What if my dog doesn't seem to care about corrections?
- What level should an e-collar be set to?
- What makes a correction fair?
- Can a word go bad for my dog?
- Is my dog confused or is he refusing?
- What do I do when my dog ignores a command?